I agree with everything, however I do feel entitled to the original Star Wars movies. As far as I know, you can only purchase them as older DVD “bonus” discs that were transferred poorly from laser discs. So this is a case where you really don’t have the original anymore.
ALERT: HANNIBAL SPOILERS
I am shocked that you praise “Hannibal” so much. I’ll give you that the show’s unique imaginery is morbid and astonishingly beautiful at the same time, as if HL had shot it himself (I grew a little tired of the deer thing, though), the music and sound are unsettling, it’s very well acted and the occasional dark humour is ok, but IMO the plot and development are appallingly inconsistent.
I still don’t know which victims were really killed by HL (I actually stopped caring about that), some characters who once seemed to have an important role disappear for several episodes (Abigail) or for ever (what happened to Fishburne’s ill wife?, why was her adultery so important?). What about that absurd episode where Abigail kills her friend’s brother? (police seemed to have better things to do that day),or the simple fact that everybody seems to be able to enter H’s office at any time (does he leave the door unlocked? is there an unseen assistant?), what’s the deal between H and the journalist? (He caught her spying him early in the show), and how convenient is Dancy’s illness, and his former doctor’s deal with H to let him go untreated!
I’m not a plot taliban, I am not even very good at noticing plot holes, but this show’s negligence with situations and characters is too much for me. And of course, there’s also the escalating carnage with the murders… what’s coming next? cannibalism? Oh, wait!
Cheers from Spain and sorry for any grammar failure (don’t publish it if it is unreadable)
Other than Abigail killing the brother, which was a bit contrived, I don’t agree with any of this. I think it’s pretty clear whom Hannibal has killed. And as far as Crawford’s wife, not everything is about plot. Some of it is just character. If you’re getting hung up on things like whether or not Hannibal has a secretary, maybe the show just isn’t for you. I think you’re just being too literal-minded. Maybe Will’s illness is “convenient” but it’s also metaphorical. This is, after all, both fiction and art that we’re talking about.
I’m so behind, just listened to this episode. I’ve been contemplating a remake of The General for a couple months now, having watched it on Netflix upon y’alls recommendation. Since it is essentially a Die Hard film in it’s concept, it is rife for remake. Just retelling that story with current pacing and technique could make a compelling movie.
There was a good progression in this episode. Tyler did a great job with his devil’s advocate and made some legit points to counter the typical ‘fuck the fans’ sentiment. But I had a few more thoughts. Hollywood is making properties that have built in fans like book series, comic books, or remakes. They expect fans (and lots of other folks) to come to the theater because they use the invoke the name. The fans in return expect to get a good adaptation of the material. I think this is all reasonable! However, fans do go too far when they obsess over the casting and whatnot. But it’s easy to see where they are coming from. They want a good movie for a story they like, which you guys mention on the show.
Good point Tyler about characters only popping up once in a long while too. Batman will keep getting made over and over, so Ben Affleck appearing in the suit is not a big deal. We’ll get a new movie in a couple years anyway (with a new actor, probably). But the point goes further in convincing wider acceptance of a genre. I’m a big fantasy fan, so I’m happy that people are watching Game of Thrones because it might lead to more fantasy on the big (or small) screen. If they had made a terrible Game of Thrones (or LoTR), it would have set back any fantasy movie that was being considered. But now we might get some good ‘gritty’ fantasy adaptations like the First Law Trilogy, by Joe Abercrombie, which pleases me. Or even a new property written just for film, which is great. I like movies, and I like fantasy. Bring them together = egg-cellent.
Now, obviously fans go too far. Attacking critics for disliking a movie? Ridiculous. But critics turning around and attacking fans as being entitled douchebags is absurd too. We all just want good movies.
A movie change about which there may have been some unhappiness. Jurassic Park decided to kill Muldoon in the movie, but he lived in the book. Hammond dies in the book, but lived in the movie. Why exactly? I would not (and presumably few would) argue that Jurassic Park is a bad movie. It’s great. But as a fan of the book as well, it’s just a puzzling change.
It seems to come down to who the primary author is. When a movie is adapted, does the director become the author? Or is the creator of the story still the author? Perhaps you could address this on the show?
Sorry for the rambling post. Nice show. You guys have excellent chemistry.
The whole mispronunciation thing gets me every time #reddragon
Good episode guys. I’m still awaiting David’s review of Gravity.
I agree with everything, however I do feel entitled to the original Star Wars movies. As far as I know, you can only purchase them as older DVD “bonus” discs that were transferred poorly from laser discs. So this is a case where you really don’t have the original anymore.
ALERT: HANNIBAL SPOILERS
I am shocked that you praise “Hannibal” so much. I’ll give you that the show’s unique imaginery is morbid and astonishingly beautiful at the same time, as if HL had shot it himself (I grew a little tired of the deer thing, though), the music and sound are unsettling, it’s very well acted and the occasional dark humour is ok, but IMO the plot and development are appallingly inconsistent.
I still don’t know which victims were really killed by HL (I actually stopped caring about that), some characters who once seemed to have an important role disappear for several episodes (Abigail) or for ever (what happened to Fishburne’s ill wife?, why was her adultery so important?). What about that absurd episode where Abigail kills her friend’s brother? (police seemed to have better things to do that day),or the simple fact that everybody seems to be able to enter H’s office at any time (does he leave the door unlocked? is there an unseen assistant?), what’s the deal between H and the journalist? (He caught her spying him early in the show), and how convenient is Dancy’s illness, and his former doctor’s deal with H to let him go untreated!
I’m not a plot taliban, I am not even very good at noticing plot holes, but this show’s negligence with situations and characters is too much for me. And of course, there’s also the escalating carnage with the murders… what’s coming next? cannibalism? Oh, wait!
Cheers from Spain and sorry for any grammar failure (don’t publish it if it is unreadable)
Salut,
Jordi
Other than Abigail killing the brother, which was a bit contrived, I don’t agree with any of this. I think it’s pretty clear whom Hannibal has killed. And as far as Crawford’s wife, not everything is about plot. Some of it is just character. If you’re getting hung up on things like whether or not Hannibal has a secretary, maybe the show just isn’t for you. I think you’re just being too literal-minded. Maybe Will’s illness is “convenient” but it’s also metaphorical. This is, after all, both fiction and art that we’re talking about.
– David
I’m so behind, just listened to this episode. I’ve been contemplating a remake of The General for a couple months now, having watched it on Netflix upon y’alls recommendation. Since it is essentially a Die Hard film in it’s concept, it is rife for remake. Just retelling that story with current pacing and technique could make a compelling movie.
There was a good progression in this episode. Tyler did a great job with his devil’s advocate and made some legit points to counter the typical ‘fuck the fans’ sentiment. But I had a few more thoughts. Hollywood is making properties that have built in fans like book series, comic books, or remakes. They expect fans (and lots of other folks) to come to the theater because they use the invoke the name. The fans in return expect to get a good adaptation of the material. I think this is all reasonable! However, fans do go too far when they obsess over the casting and whatnot. But it’s easy to see where they are coming from. They want a good movie for a story they like, which you guys mention on the show.
Good point Tyler about characters only popping up once in a long while too. Batman will keep getting made over and over, so Ben Affleck appearing in the suit is not a big deal. We’ll get a new movie in a couple years anyway (with a new actor, probably). But the point goes further in convincing wider acceptance of a genre. I’m a big fantasy fan, so I’m happy that people are watching Game of Thrones because it might lead to more fantasy on the big (or small) screen. If they had made a terrible Game of Thrones (or LoTR), it would have set back any fantasy movie that was being considered. But now we might get some good ‘gritty’ fantasy adaptations like the First Law Trilogy, by Joe Abercrombie, which pleases me. Or even a new property written just for film, which is great. I like movies, and I like fantasy. Bring them together = egg-cellent.
Now, obviously fans go too far. Attacking critics for disliking a movie? Ridiculous. But critics turning around and attacking fans as being entitled douchebags is absurd too. We all just want good movies.
A movie change about which there may have been some unhappiness. Jurassic Park decided to kill Muldoon in the movie, but he lived in the book. Hammond dies in the book, but lived in the movie. Why exactly? I would not (and presumably few would) argue that Jurassic Park is a bad movie. It’s great. But as a fan of the book as well, it’s just a puzzling change.
It seems to come down to who the primary author is. When a movie is adapted, does the director become the author? Or is the creator of the story still the author? Perhaps you could address this on the show?
Sorry for the rambling post. Nice show. You guys have excellent chemistry.