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  1. Caleb says:

    I’m glad David mentioned Cinemania, because if none of you did I was going to recommend it.

  2. Edwin Davies says:

    The story about the chestburster scene being removed from Alien reminded of going to a screening of Jaws several years ago where, immediately after Brody said “Come on down and chum some of this shit,” it cut to Roy Scheider’s startled reaction without showing the shark. Apparently the print was pretty old, and I was told that over the years projectionists had snuck frames out of the print to keep as souvenirs, until it reached the point where that scene became weirdly existential..

  3. Darth Nameless says:

    scary voices @ 1:36:25

  4. Ryan says:

    I’m a little surprised that David is apparently unaware of the Civil Rights Act, which forbade businesses from hanging “Whites Only” signs on their doors, or of the protests at the Woolworth’s lunch counters in the 60’s. I believe that plenty of “reasonable” people don’t think that businesses should be able to discriminate on the basis of race, religion, or gender, in hiring practices or service and that is the law in all fifty states. It’s also the law in 21 states that businesses can’t discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Neither Michigan (the car mechanic) or Indiana (the pizza place) is one of those states however, which is why those businesses have not been sued. (Also neither of those places actually turned away any gay people , just said they would if given the chance).
    However, a florist in Washington was successfully sued for anti-gay discrimination, as was a bakery in Oregon. I understand the libertarian point of view (while absolutely disagreeing with it), but at least let’s be consistent. It should be all or nothing, no? How about calling for a repeal of the Civil Rights Act, rather than focusing on the easy gay target? Somehow I don’t think that would be as palatable or as “reasonable” to most people.

    • Battleship Pretension says:

      These are all good points! I stand corrected. I may have gotten a little overzealous in my libertarianism.

      – David

      • Alysha says:

        Paused this half-way through the episode to reply to your “top of show discussion”. But before I add to the yelling (or just respectful disagreement…as the case may be), did you guys really mean to say that you think private businesses should be able to discriminate against anyone for any reason? Were you including race and sex in that? That is how it sounded but I wouldn’t want to put words in your mouths.

        • Battleship Pretension says:

          I’d have to listen back to what I said. I think in trying to admonish Tyler for intentionally seeking out extreme opinions that will anger him, I overstated my own case and ironically voiced one of those extreme positions myself.

          My point, as I remember it, is that free speech goes both ways. People who hate gay people are as free to say so as I am to say those people are pure human garbage.

          So when I said (or implied, I’d have to listen back and I’m too embarrassed about it to do so right now) that businesses can discriminate against whomever they want, I was overstepping the pre-established and indispensable boundaries of civil rights in this country. And I am very sorry for that.

          – David

        • Scott Nye says:

          I can’t remember what all I said, either, but I frequently struggle with my thoughts on the extent to which businesses should be obliged to serve the public. I am wholeheartedly against discrimination, but I also don’t think a business should be legally bound to provide for every customer who walks through their door. Much more learned people than me have debated this topic, and (in some cases) come up with tenable solutions – attorneys don’t have to take every case they’re offered, and contractors quit projects all the time. If someone is able explain the finer points to me, I’d love to hear it, but any hesitation I expressed in the arena of government oversight on small business is purely practical in concern, and I apologize if I didn’t articulate that.

          • Alysha says:

            I do think it’s interesting to hear your personal philosophies because I believe it does affect how you approach art. Having listened to you for years now, I feel like you are both (or in this case all three) reasonable people who I sometimes agree with and sometimes disagree with, but I always appreciate how thoughtful you are in your approach to the subject.

            That’s why I asked you to clarify your statements because in this case (I think because you were hesitant to really get into it), you were talking in generalities and it didn’t sound like either of you fully articulated your position. Now, I might still completely disagree once you do, but I think that if you are going to discuss this, then you should at least be as thoughtful about it as you are with every other subject you tackle.

  5. Jake says:

    Not here to comment on the politics because who has the time and really who am I to give a damn what you guys think? You’re both thoughtful people to whom I enjoy listening.

    Instead, I wanted to echo David’s shout out to John Ford’s Two Rode Together. I happened to snag a copy from a family friend who was unloading a bunch of VHS tapes in the early days of DVD. It’s an under-seen gem as are so many late Ford films.

    Perhaps Ford is ripe for a profile episode, eh fellas?

    • West Anthony says:

      Two Rode Together is available on blu-ray in limited quantities from Twilight Time. (They generally only print 3,000 copies of titles they license.) And if they have a discussion about Ford without me, I’ll give them such a PINCH!

  6. Ryan says:

    It’s not a question of whether a business is legally bound to serve every customer who walks in the door, it’s a question of whether a business can unilaterally refuse serve to (blanks). Gays, black people, Christians, women, whatever.
    As I said the first time, there’s been a real surge recently in libertarian values, but with a lot of people, it seems to stop at homosexuality. No one would be throwing their support or cash behind that pizza place if they had said they wouldn’t sell their food to an interracial couple getting married. I can respect (wholeheartedly disagree with, but respect) a hardline libertarian stance that says any business can refuse service to literally anyone and mean it—but they don’t seem to really mean it.

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