Episode 587: What Makes a Movie Irrelevant?

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  1. Ben says:

    Something to check out to supplement the chat about “Passengers”

  2. Thanks for the political talk today. Like Tyler, I now stay away from it, mostly, and likely for similar reasons. I enjoy the movie talk, and it *is* why I come to the show, but I need to say that when you two talk about politics, it is almost always a pleasure. Not just not irritating, but kind of a delight. You listen to each other. You give each other the benefit of the doubt. I could probably find more reasons, but those two are enough. It’s exemplary. I mean that both as the compliment, and literally – you’re examples of how to do this well, and that’s where some of the pleasure comes from.

  3. aaron says:

    In Illinois we have this beautiful thing called “early voting” where you can vote in an election for a few weeks before election day. Why this isn’t available everywhere is beyond me (except for cynical reasons). The last few elections I’ve voted in (both local and national), I rolled in on a Saturday morning and was out in about 10 minutes.

    • Ryan says:

      It’s available in many states. I’m not sure why David and Tyler seemed to think it would invite fraud.

      • Battleship Pretension says:

        For me, it wasn’t so much fraud that was my problem, nor was it the idea of early voting. Somehow I got it into my head that a full, continuous week of voting would mean election returns coming in throughout the week, which would then mobilize people who wouldn’t otherwise be. In retrospect, that’s probably not how they would do it, but it seemed somehow less organic that way.

        • Ryan says:

          Yeah, announcing the daily totals would be an absolutely terrible idea. On the plus side though, all those cute liberals in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voting a protest vote for Stein might’ve thought twice.

  4. Ryan says:

    I didn’t much care for The Post. I found it very preachy and staid. But I have a feeling it will be considered a classic and a warning bellwether about 20 years from now.

  5. Ryan says:

    I was hoping David would read a couple of Dennis Miller’s hilarious tweets, like this scathing bon mot: Progressives are shooting themselves in the foot more frequently than a centipede who quite frankly is “getting no relief whatsoever” from a topical application of a generic anti-fungal toenail cream.

  6. FictionIsntReal says:

    A lot of political stuff this episode which I mostly won’t get into, but I will address the claim that Invasion of the Body Snatchers was a deliberate allegory. Kevin McCarthy denied this was the intent, based not only on his experience filming it but also his discussions with Jack Finney, author of the original novel (which preceded Joe McCarthy’s crusade). Producer Walter Mirisch said the same thing based on his interactions with everyone involved, saying they saw it as “a thriller, pure and simple”. To me this is prime evidence of reviewers putting their own lens on things the creators never intended (along with Cronenberg’s The Fly, which he says was inspired by his own aging parents but reviewers assume is about AIDS).

    I think Tyler is giving too much credit to D. W. Griffith. Much later he still seemed to think he gave an accurate depiction of the civil war & reconstruction as he saw it. Intolerance actually seems like a defensive rebuke to his critics rather than an apology.

    Finally, since we are all born ignorant and only gain knowledge with time & experience, there is actually good reason to expect “it’s the children who are wrong”!

  7. ChrisBNoodlez says:

    I thought i’d clicked a film podcast. my bad….

    Yes Trump is a complete sociopathic bastard but seriously i find it incredible that so many americans are crying about what is happening. your country has fucked the world in so many ways and killed hundreds of thousands of people and as Noam Chomsky has said every president since the world war II is guilty of war crimes.

    Are people that upset at the immigration issue or is it just down to there dislike of Trump?

  8. Philip Heard says:

    I think what is plaguing our culture is a pandemic of toxic incivility. It’s constantly coming from all sides of the political spectrum, and people seem to be justifying their poor behavior and venomous rhetoric by pointing out the injustices the other side has perpetrated. If we behave like schoolyard children getting our licks in as payback, it’s little wonder that our society is so unhealthy.

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