BP Movie Journal 3/2/17

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  1. Andrew says:

    Have to say I disagree about Santa sangre. I found great deal of humor in the film, which undercut the self-seriousness you felt from it, David. I think it knows how silly it is.

    (That elephant thing is awesome, though)

  2. Ryan says:

    As a proud liberal SJW, I have to say I’m with Tyler that the Eenie Meanie Miny Moe is ridiculous. I actually question if anyone was sincerely offended, or if it was a media created controversy.

    • A_Freudian_Fan says:

      Some people just don’t have time to watch TV-shows. I myself manage to see two or three movies a month at most. I listen to BP podcast while doing other things and it helps me to sort out the stuff that is worth watching.

      I have no idea who Negan is, and when I google the T-shirt I see a white tough guy with a bloodied baseball bat pointed at me. If I were black and knew the racist origins of this rhyme, I would be offended.

      • Dan Roy says:

        You looked up the wrong shirt, the one in question only has the bat. And you’d be insane to be offended, because nobody young enough to wear that shirt is going to be aware of the origins of that rhyme. We’re talking people born prior to the 60s.

  3. Mic says:

    Yeah, The shirt in question doesn’t feature the character just the bat and the Eenie Meanie Miny Moe text, so might be less obvious to non fans what the context is. I don’t watch the Walking Dead but am still aware of the context of the scene.

    I’m gonna suggest the offended persons here are the perfect intersection on the Venn Diagram of “those who don’t get the pop culture reference” and “those who know the origins of the rhyme”.

    Having said that, I do lean more to David’s thinking in that, I am of a social grouping who doesn’t get targeted by these prejudices so who am I to determine how offensive it is.

    • Ryan says:

      I just can’t buy it. I think it was entirely media-created.

    • Dan Roy says:

      Why don’t people think they can call bullshit ever on things like this

      • Battleship Pretension says:

        At least two people on this thread, in addition to Tyler himself, have called bullshit. No one is trying to shut you up, dude.

        – David

        • Dan Roy says:

          Not worried about anyone shutting me up, just incredulous.

          • Battleship Pretension says:

            Incredulous at what? You wondered why no one thinks they can call bullshit despite multiple clear-as-day examples of people doing just that. Who, then, are the people you are imagining have been cowed into silence?

            – David

          • Dan Roy says:

            Incredulous that anybody feels the need to take this person’s claim seriously. Maybe anyone who lives in the UK can chime in about whether the n-word version of the rhyme is well-known over there, because that is the single reasonable explanation I can think of.

  4. Your Miami Vice episode was #7. It featured Phil Collins’ “I Don’t Care Anymore” (a song that really lends itself to cinema).

    Funnily enough, it was directed by David Soul, who was Hutch to Paul Michael Glaser’s Starsky, and sang this #1 1976 hit song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-HHCYP_chU

  5. . . . as David already said. Sorry to be so irrelevant. That’s what I get for posting right before listening to the last 13 seconds of the show.

  6. Niles says:

    Hi David, just wanted to point something out I think (hope) you’d appreciate. You referred to a film (I think Broken Blossoms?) as a “fable.” I’m guessing you meant “parable.” It’s only a fable if it uses anthropomorphized animals/objects to illustrate a moral lesson. You seem to be interested in language and its usage so I thought I’d mention it. Also, many film critics tend to confuse those words so I guess I reached a breaking point. Cheers!

  7. Scott Nye says:

    Even without the racist origins, it turns out that putting a baseball bat and a phrase that exploits random chance just isn’t a great combo.

  8. Ben says:


    In the discussion about the shirt you questioned why people would want to wear a shirt with a guy like Neegan in the first place. How is this different from wearing a shirt featuring any other villain, like say the Joker maybe? There could possibly be a different argument to be had about the individual characters’ motivations or the different qualities and achievements of the source material but how is one bad guy better than another? or is there?

    • Battleship Pretension says:

      That’s a good point. I guess, when we think of great villains, there is often a certain style and maybe even an interesting philosophy to them. The Joker, for example, isn’t merely homicidal. He’s homicidal because of a nihilistic philosophy that a lot of people found intriguing. Plus, the design of the character is striking.
      A character like Negan – with all due respect to Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who can be a very charismatic actor – seems fairly generic. No interesting philosophies – and, no, “Give us half your shit” doesn’t really count – and nothing particularly interesting about his look.
      Except his bat, of course, which is why so much Negan merch is branded with that bat.
      To me, a shirt with Negan on it is like a shirt with Waingro from HEAT on it. There’s nothing particularly interesting about the character; he’s just a heavy, and that’s really it.

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